A Glimpse Into Tim Walz's Minnesota with Jeff Evans

In this  episode, Cole Muzio interviews Jeff Evans, President of Minnesota Family Council, to discuss the political landscape in Minnesota and the leadership of Governor Tim Walz. They cover topics such as Walz's persona, his policies on abortion and transgender issues, the state of Minnesota's economy, and his response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the George Floyd protests. They also discuss the potential threat of Walz as a vice president and how to pray for him and his family. Overall, the conversation highlights the progressive agenda and ideology of Governor Walz and the need for wise counsel and prayer.

Key Takeaways

• Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota has a likable and "aw-shucks" persona, but his policies and ideology are deeply progressive.
• Walz has pushed for extreme abortion laws, including legalizing abortion up to the moment of birth, and has embraced radical transgender ideology.
• Under Walz's leadership, Minnesota has seen a decline in its economy, with businesses leaving the state due to high taxes and concerns about safety.
• Walz's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the George Floyd protests has been criticized, with accusations of overreach and failure to lead effectively.
• While praying for Walz's defeat in elections, it is important to also pray for him and his family, asking for wise counsel and a change of heart.

Sound Bites

• "He portrays himself as the aw-shucks kind of upper Midwestern candidate"
• "His politics really do rock the boat in a pretty tremendous way"
• "He's maintained the tone, but it's the action, the policy is way, way out there"

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Background

02:59
Discussion on Governor Tim Walz

06:18
Walz's Politics and Policies

09:11
Impact on Minnesota's Economy

11:02
Response to COVID-19 and George Floyd Protests

18:11
Radical Transgender Ideology in Minnesota

21:05
Comparison to Other Progressive Governors

23:26
Threat of Walz as Vice President

27:19
Praying for Governor Tim Walz


Minnesota, Tim Walz, politics, abortion, transgender, economy, COVID-19, George Floyd, progressive agenda, prayer

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Transcript

Cole Muzio (00:07.47)
Hey everybody, this is Cole Musio, president of Frontline Policy Action with our From the Frontline podcast. I get to have my good friend, Jeff Evans, join us on this podcast, which is a huge gift for me because he is a really awesome dude. He is from Minnesota, so don't hold that against him. But he is our counterpart at Minnesota Family Council. He's the new president over there. He has previously been the church ambassador network director.

and doing a great job in the frozen tundra of Minnesota. I hear it's like 40 degrees now in August. It's the warmest it's ever been in Minnesota. But Jeff, it is great to see you brother. 
Thanks, Cole. Really appreciate you and appreciate frontline and in the great state of Georgia. So great to be with you. I don't you know, I think probably as you would attest probably most people in Minnesota have no idea that there's a counterpart organization in Georgia. Probably most of our listeners don't know that we're you know, we're part of a national network.

and you are our counterpart in Minnesota. There's about 40 versions of us. You you and I are the handsomest of the 40. But, you know, can you share a little bit about your organization for folks that are maybe listening to this? sure. So Minnesota Family Council originally was called the Berean League. It was founded back in the 80s. We operate in the public policy realm. We operate in elections. We obviously engage the church to be the church, not just a voting block, but the bride of Christ, the pillar and ground of truth.

Society so we engage our legislators and pastors and we engage in various cultural things who stand for life religious freedom marriage sexuality And so forth and so finds us in interesting places at times. We're nonpartisan So we work with both sides the aisles whenever we can That also is makes for interesting conversation at times So we're willing to call a spade a spade where we need to and we're to show honor where honor is due and That's kind of needed in our society right now

Absolutely. If anybody listening to this is in Minnesota, make sure that you connect with Jeff. And then if you're not in Minnesota, but you want to pray for their work, you want to support their work, make sure to go to their website and support them in any way that you can sign up for their newsletters and, and check them out. But I'm going to ask Jeff a few questions because Minnesota and this is, you know, I would have wanted you to be on our podcast anyway, but there's extra urgency now because Minnesota is in the headlines.

Cole Muzio (02:30.196)
Nobody knew who this guy Tim Waltz was, you know, this guy that, you know, looks like you could have just seen him walking down the street. You would have had no idea who he was. No, nobody knew who this guy was until Kamala picked him. I mean, you started seeing his name as, you know, someone that she might pick, you know, personally, I would have put him in our top five, but I didn't think she was actually going to pick the guy who offered really nothing to the ticket from, from my vantage point. So I want to kind of pick your brain about him and the first

First question I'm going to ask you is probably going to be the hardest one. If you're Kamala Harris, based on your experience in Minnesota, how would you sell Tim Walz? Like, can you see redeemable qualities as to why she picked this guy to be her vice presidential running mate? for sure. He portrays himself as the aw -shucks kind of upper Midwestern candidate, somebody that you'd have over for a backyard barbecue. Somebody you'd invite over.

You know, as a teacher, a long time teacher, football coach, he's very likable. just the way he presents himself and he's well spoken. And, that I think that's honest. I don't think that he's just putting on a show with those things. The problem is that you can come off that way. You can be genuinely nice and approachable and you can be on the wrong side of lots of different issues. Being nice doesn't equal being right. And so he exudes a lot of what we call Minnesota nice. Sometimes it's passive aggressive.

but just pleasant, doesn't rock the boat very much. That's the way that he comes off. But in essence, his politics really do rock the boat in a pretty tremendous way. His political counterpart as far as a governor would be somebody like Gavin Newsom. But Gavin Newsom does not come off as the awshucks, northern, Midwestern kind of guy. There's a lot that you can really sell the public on as far as his persona. The problem is the policies and things that he stands for. We've got to able to distinguish those things.

I'll ask you about some of the specific policies, particularly as it relates to our issues, but from a 20 ,000 foot level, as you're kind of looking at the state of Minnesota, he's in year six of his governorship. He was in Congress for over a decade. How would you describe the state of Minnesota? I'm not asking you to bash your state, but from a, what has he done?

Cole Muzio (04:50.87)
And how has he positioned Minnesota over six years, just from the trajectory of the state, its economy, the way it's going, kind of the tone and tenor of civility? What's kind of the result of, you were to give a, you know, even if you weren't, you know, somebody that's in Christian conservative politics, you're just an observer, how would you describe what he has done to the state of Minnesota? Yeah. So Minnesota is unique in that about two thirds of the population lives within the Twin Cities Metro area.

So you have a giant chunk of the population of the cities and then you have greater Minnesota, which is a lot of farmlands and Lake country and so forth. And as you might expect, Minneapolis, St. Paul is typically very blue politically. And then you've got this giant ocean of red all around it. And so the state is somewhat conflicted and has been for some time politically. So you're not likely to see any national Republican candidate.

billboards up when you're driving to the cities, but that's all you'll see when you're on the countryside, generally speaking. So it's really, it's strange that way. And what's happened here under Wall's tenure is that we've gone from being what many Minnesotans think is just moderate, like, we'll figure out a way to get along the liberals and the conservatives, the progressives and the conservatives. We'll find a middle way, a middle path and get along, even though there's a lot of differences between us. And what Walls has done, he's tried to maintain that line. Like, can't we just...

Find a consensus position, can't we all be unified and so forth. But at the same time, he's pushed the state very extremely to the progressive left. for instance, just over a year ago, Governor Walz signed into law House File 1, was the first bill that was pushed through the House that legalized abortion all the way up to the moment of birth. And if a child is born from a botched abortion.

you don't perform life -saving care, let the baby die on the table. That's wild. Most Minnesotans don't know that that's the law now, because it's like not even in the imagination that we could even be that way. So if you ask your average Minnesotan, and we've done lots of polling on this and others have as well, but 70 % of Minnesotans are not okay with abortion at the moment of birth. So it would seem like having a bill push that would be politically toxic.

Cole Muzio (07:14.306)
But the populace just refuses to believe that we could be that extreme because this is Minnesota. That wouldn't happen here. And so if you talk to somebody on the street and you say, hey, do know what the laws are with regard to abortion? Most of the time, they're going come up with something that they think is reasonable. Because again, being Minnesotan, you're trying to be reasonable with things. So they say, well, maybe heartbeat, maybe brain waves. It depends if you're talking to a pro -life person, I might say a conception. But they're going to place it somewhere.

within weeks or a couple months. And they'll say, well, I assume that that's probably where the law is. And you say, no, it's actually up to the moment of birth. They won't believe you. And not because they're accusing you of lying, but they just can't believe it. And so you have to ask them, well, how, where do you get your information? How do you find out about these things? And how can I prove that to you? And that puts people in the wonders. That's just the general tenor of the public. It's not because they're foolish. It's because Minnesotans really prize being

I was being kind to one another. It's, you know, we can make jokes about Minnesota nice in the passive aggressive way that I mentioned that does happen. But people like having a moderated position and Walz has done anything but that. He's maintained the tone, but it's the action, the policy is way, way out there. And there's more than just that, but that's one example. So, Boryshev from the moment of birth, and there was an attempt to try to get that enshrined in the constitution.

this last legislative session and we and some of our other partners, other organizations were able to stop that. But that was somewhat miraculous. The Lord preserved us from even having that in the ballot as a question. Yeah. How would you describe the economy in Minnesota under the Waltz administration? Yeah, well, obviously COVID has taken a toll and then the riots and the unrest in the cities has been a big deal.

There are a lot of businesses that are wondering whether or not it's safe to even be doing business in the Twin Cities. And on top of that, there's been pretty aggressive taxation of businesses and individuals. And so there's a, just like California, there are a lot of people who are leaving Minnesota because of the taxes or they spend half a year plus one day out of state and establish residency in Florida or Arizona or South Dakota.

Cole Muzio (09:35.79)
somewhere else, but the tax rate is huge. It's not friendly for businesses in general, or it's becoming increasingly hostile. So people are looking at options. with, again, downtown Minneapolis, people feel like it's not safe to be there. I'm from Michigan originally, so I didn't live in Detroit per se, but I'm maybe used to rougher cities and such. I feel okay being down there, but there are many people who don't want to be downtown Minneapolis, don't want to be in the suburbs.

close to the city, they want to move out. Yeah, that's not something you associate with Minneapolis. you kind of do associate that as, you know, nice, you know, for a metropolitan city, you know, and that's sad that that's changed. It is. The whole spirit of the place is different. When we first moved here a number of years ago, it was exciting to be downtown. It was fun to go out to various restaurants. And now it's still good. I still like it.

It's the glory of it is greatly diminished and it's quite sad. That's not just you know Tim Walls that there are many contributions to that But but governor walls has had a hand in that unfortunately with unrest and failure to respond and support police even at times so It's really unfortunate So you reference kovat, you know, I think one of the things Georgians which are the predominant listeners to what we're you know doing in this podcast

they don't really realize how rough some states had it. You know, we closed down for a few weeks as a result of, you know, kind of the national pitch to, let's figure out this thing. We were the first state to reopen and, you know, the governor took a lot of flight from that, from both the left and the right. You know, but we were able to get back to, you know, relatively normal relatively quickly. I think by the time kids went back to school in the fall,

Some Metro school districts required masking. think some were a little bit more lenient, but we did go back to school. You we played SEC football, you know, 10 game schedule. You know, things got back to semi normal relatively quickly. Again, a lot of lives interrupted a lot of difficulty. But you know, it's the first state to open up. I mean, I think it was kind of Georgia and Florida and maybe, South Dakota that were the freest describe life in Minnesota under waltz for COVID.

Cole Muzio (12:00.034)
Yeah, so Robert Caro, who's a biographer of Lyndon Johnson, has a famous line in his biography of him, which I commend everybody to read, even though I'm not the biggest LBJ fan, but it's amazing bio. And Robert Caro says, you know, we're familiar with the quote that power corrupts absolute power, corrupts absolutely. But he contends that power reveals as well.

So when you give people power, it shows you something about the nature of the governance of their character and so forth. And Governor Walz was given emergency powers, unheard of in really state history for their duration. They were renewed every single month by the legislature. And he was able to continue with those emergency powers for well over a year. And during that time, it could have been worse as far as lockdown, but we were locked down pretty tightly for a number of months.

He began, he had dials that he would say, we're going to turn the dial, you know, from a one to a two or 10 might be totally open and one is hide out in your house and, know, and make sure you spray yourself down when you in from the outside. businesses were, essential businesses were open, like apparently liquor stores are essential businesses. Nothing against them, but that's an essential business. But churches.

that's not, not as important as say McDonald's, or, or the liquor store. So churches were, told they could meet in parking lots. even when meeting in parking lots, sometimes even our own church, we, we had the police called on us that we weren't social distancing enough in the parking lot. the police showed up and we honored them. We invited them to stay from the service and have communion if they're baptized believers. And then, and they, they laughed and they said, you guys are just fine. Keep, keep going. So police got it.

But there was that kind of spirit of fear that the government... How long did that go on? So that was for a couple months with churches not being able to meet in person. And then pressure from our conservative Roman Catholics and our conservative Lutherans in the states. Those two especially put pressure on Governor Walz. And you can't open up businesses further and not open up churches. We know that we could bring this to court and you'll lose. We would rather you not.

Cole Muzio (14:21.942)
We'd rather not put you through that and have to fight that way, but we will if we need to. And he then relented as though he'd been thinking about it long time the next day. So I've been talking with religious leaders and decided to turn the dial. Churches need to be open to places of worship. So that shows you something of the way that he operates. He'll come off as affable, but he really does love to control. And he kept leading with the legislature. need control. I need to be able to manage this crisis.

But of course we didn't see him really managing crises well during George Floyd. We believe that he can manage a virus. Tell me a little bit more about the George Floyd experience as well. Quite sad. mean just tragic all around in so many different ways. And it's not unlike Detroit from years ago. And I fear that Minneapolis could become something of a Detroit, a cautionary tale.

But there are racial tensions within communities, ethnic tensions. have within eight blocks, for instance, eight blocks in Minneapolis, there are over 120 languages spoken in one neighborhood. So we are deeply ethnically diverse. And honestly, I love it because you can spin the globe and put your finger down on a country and you can go find food from that country in this neighborhood or somewhere nearby and learn some of the culture. It's really, really quite tremendous. That said.

Different cultures have differing ways of engaging, different ethnicities and such, there can be tensions that build up over time. And certainly African -American community, lots of tensions there. And when the George Floyd incident went down and people were deeply frustrated, it was palpable. You could feel the anger and the frustration. And Governor Walz disappeared for a couple of days. was like radio silent as Minneapolis was burning.

And he's a former national guard, the master sergeant was his rank. And so he understands national guard and it took Trump calling him to tell him you need to deploy the national guard before he did something. That's just astounding to me. How in the world can you let that happen? I think people can protest. I think people can show that they're frustrated, they're angry, they have different positions on things. But you don't get to burn down the third precinct police department. If you allow something like that.

Cole Muzio (16:46.466)
That's, that's unconscionable, just, just like many other things. And so, I think governor Walz really failed to lead there. And, then there was some blame shifting on, on the mayor of the city, who also has his own issues and such, but it was really a debacle. and what you get from that, again, it's how power reveals, you see that people start imitating those leaders who are, are showing what you do with power. And so to jump back to COVID, it's nothing, nothing like,

discovering the tyranny that exists in the hearts of everybody, but especially in the heart of a 16 year old boy. When you walk into your grocery store, it tells you to wear your mask a year after the pandemic has been sprung. so just mind your business, go back and stock the shelves. Thanks for serving here, but you've not been anointed the COVID police. You need to stay in your lane, And that's...

when you get bad examples of leadership that way that it metastasizes, it catches with, catches on with other people. We've seen that in various places and we've seen that especially in the legislature too, the leadership that's there. You mentioned the radical abortion bill that you all have in Minnesota. A lot has also been made of, you know, the tampons in the boys bathrooms and, you know, some of those policies. Describe some of the radical

transgender ideology that has been embraced by your governor? So again, how things have changed here. Most people in Minnesota can't even imagine that this is the case, but it is the case. So we've become a trans refuge state, so to speak. The governor quit signing the law, something that we fondly call the kidnapping bill, which basically says that if you do not provide gender affirming care for a child and gender affirming care is defined as whatever that child

wants, but let's say, youngest is still in single digits. Let's say he came to me and was struggling and wanted to go get sterilized or put on puberty blockers before he had puberty. If I denied him that, the state could intervene and take my child away from me because the child needs to be provided gender affirming care. And so here's another area where power is revealing, right? The state is more important than parents in the raising of kids. The state has more to do about

Cole Muzio (19:11.594)
what is male and female or acceptable behavior or what you do with your body than parents do. And that's just wrong. We know that. And again, it's hard to even imagine that that's the case. so Minnesotans like, no way, no way. We couldn't possibly have that. We do. It was pushed through. The trans activism in our state is pretty high. And so we're a destination now for people in other states that can't receive

the kind of gender affirming care, know, gender affirming care, mutilation, mutilation. But we'll do it here in Minnesota. And if you're your parents in another state and your child wants to escape, we will allow it here, which is really sad. Now, of course, believers are going to try to get in front of that and care for families in crisis and hope that doesn't get to that point. it's still

It's not just conceivable, it's protected now by state statute. So we're dealing with the trans activism or the abortion stuff or other things. We are so far left. I don't think that Vice President Harris could have picked a more progressive governor. He just happens to be likable and an aw -shucks kind of guy. You can just get along with.

Somebody famous quote from him that are becoming a famous quote. One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness. So he's likening socialism to being just a good neighbor. It's a wild statement. It's a wild statement. I think, you know, one of the, one of the things that it appears, it seemed like Kamala had a layup with Josh Shapiro, like, you know, pick him locked down Pennsylvania. He's going to appeal in a bunch of other States. You know, that,

that puts her kind of in the driver's seat, but instead, you know, she picks Tim Walz and it seems like a big chunk of that. He's not someone who's been pining and auditioning for the presidency. You know, he seems to have been a little bit lesser ambitious than say a Gavin or Gretchen Whitmer or some of these others. But what you're describing, what we've been hearing, what we've been seeing the research we're doing, he sounds like he is just as much of a leftist as, you know, any of the ones that are kind of held up.

Cole Muzio (21:32.844)
by our side and going, okay, these people are extreme. He's just as extreme as all them. That's right. Yeah. He and he's played. mean, to be again, give credit where credit's due. Just as far as the shrewd political game, he's played a very shrewd game to get to this point. So he should not be underestimated. I'll give him that for sure. And, and I do think he's sincere with many things. It's easy to assume that somebody is just sinister in their heart and they're always out to get people.

I think he truly believes the deeply progressive things that he's acted on. I think he thinks he's being good to Minnesotans when he does that. The problem is that when you're, we asked the legislature this year when they're considering taxpayer funded trans surgeries and such, we said, are you going to provide monies for people who want to de -transition them too? Because people don't just go into it. They sometimes come out of it. And when that happens, shouldn't we support that? Isn't that gender affirming care?

and they didn't have an answer for it. Like, well, well, we're not talking about that here. Well, why not? Why is it a one way street? Why do we have to do irreparable harm to people? Pay for that. But then there's no, there's not even insurance coming to come out if you want to, if you want to de -transition. And so people are stuck with not even being able to bill things correctly and doctors won't perform surgery. it's a failure to think about the consequences of your progressive ideology. I think he...

thinks he's trying to be good to people, but he doesn't realize that as the Proverbs say, the mercies and the wicked are cruel. I'm not saying that Walls is the most deeply wicked person ever. He's done some very wicked things. But that Proverb still holds true that you can think you're doing the right thing, but if you're doing it unrighteously, it's actually a cruelty, even though you have a nice smile on your face when you do it. Yeah, let me ask you two final questions first. And we've talked a lot about it from a

from an ideology standpoint, from where he's at on abortion, which is as as you can possibly get, I very similar to, gosh, his name's escaped, Ralph Northam from Virginia, very, very similar position, and it's actually enshrined in policy. Radical transgender policy, mirroring what Gavin Newsom's done in California. You describe him as a shrewd political player with an awesomeness type demeanor. Describe in a nutshell, you know, the threat of Tim Waltz,

Cole Muzio (23:55.84)
as vice president of the United States. He's an ambitious man. So don't think he'll stop with being the vice president. I think he'd want the whole enchilada if he goes that way. But he will, he will give the kind permission for people to, to embrace the deep progressive worldview. Like it's okay. You can do this. It doesn't come off. It's sometimes you can come off as condescending, rude. If you, if you're round enough, you pick up on that.

But he doesn't have the unlikeability factor of some other politicians. sometimes it's hard. I think vice president Harris doesn't present herself that well to be, to put it kindly. It's easy to dislike a lot that you see and you hear regards to the policy. But, but, Walls knows how to sugar coat things and make you buy into it. Even though it's,

pernicious, it's deadly, it's wrong. And so I think he'll give more so -called moral justification for advancing the most progressive policies because he can make it look nice and sound nice and sell it. And it's just your grandfatherly, I'm just your high school football coach, just chiming in here. It's totally fine to abort your children up to the point of birth. And you're worried about us regulating the abortion clinics. Don't worry, we've lifted all regulations whatsoever.

We regulate like nail salons, abortion, there's no need to do that. You can trust me. I'm your coach. I'm your high school teacher. There's nothing to see here, buddy. He really leans in on that narrative, huh? Yeah. yeah. Yeah. You just, if grandpa says it's okay, then it must be okay. I think that will be the danger. And that does. I mean, I think that, you know, you make a really good point because like I said, it's easy to villainize Gavin Newsom. You know, he comes across like he's

I don't think he is all that uber educated, but he comes across like an uber educated snooty, left coast liberal. It's easy to kind of put him in that box. If you're a moderate or you're conservative, if you grew up with a certain set of values, you may not be overly churched or overly ideological, but you can kind of smell something when he's coming up. Somebody that has the presentation of Tim Walz with that demeanor that you're describing can certainly fool you.

Cole Muzio (26:21.994)
and make you think that they're a little less malevolent than they are. And yeah, I think that's a danger for our culture. And I think, you know, this is a weird and extreme ticket, the Harris, you know, Waltz ticket, but at the same time, they're trying to make, you know, conservatism, Trump vance, which Trump and Vance have their own, like, I'm not going pretend that they're not weird. But they've got likeability issues too. Yeah, there's no way around that, but you know, they're trying to make...

our values be what's weird. And I think when you have the presentation of a waltz, it becomes dangerous because that is more believable than Kamala when you're trying to define normal. And that makes it difficult. Let me ask you one final question. You're a former director of Church Ambassador Network, which is a ministry that we implement here, and I really believe in it. And we're Christian organizations. And as much as I do also, and we will pray for a Tim Walz and Kamala Harris loss, how can

people that are sitting listening to this podcast and they've heard about this guy with just an awful ideology, things that he believes that are fundamentally wrong, things about his personality that make him an extra big threat. How can folks listening to this pray for him? You're a guy who knows him, you've been around him. How can we pray for him and for his family even while praying that he loses? That's right. You want to pray that God brings wise counselors around him.

that will say the hard thing to him, that will challenge him. I know that there are some people who think very differently than Governor Walz does, and he respects them, listens to them. So we should be asking for God to bring godly, wise counsels around him who will challenge the worldview that he's operating with. And I don't think he can track that he's got a deeply religious worldview, one of secularism, but is definitely a religious outlook.

We need people around him to speak the truth into his life, challenge him on things, and to be with him, not just in decisions, campaign stuff, but the pressures that will be on his family. That's a hard thing. There's nothing like showing kindness and love in the name of Jesus to people who are in the pressure cooker. People respond well to that. And so we want to be praying that God brings the right people. It could just be one or two. And I know I've got ideas of who those people could be.

Cole Muzio (28:46.19)
And then I know you didn't ask this, what can everybody do on top of praying with all of our legislators? Well, continue to pray for all of our legislators, but also know it's just like God to save leaders, to bring them to repentance. We see that in 1 Timothy 2, that God commands us to pray for people with an eye that not just having quiet, peaceful lives, but that God loves us, delights in it when we pray for those who are in positions of authority, and God desires people to be saved.

all kinds of people, not just Republicans, Democrats too. So we actually have to believe that and hope for that and work towards that and trust that God will do that. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we'll be praying for him. again, praying for somebody doesn't mean that you wish them well in their current state. You it means that you want God to do a mighty work in them to change them. And just as he has changed you and I, if you and I were in our natural state, Jeff, man, I don't even want to know you in your natural state, man. You're in enough trouble as you are.

But, you know, we're asking for God to change people's hearts and also to show them love and the way that we've been shown love and forgiveness and the way that we've been shown forgiveness and to lead to repentance. And so, you know, don't forget to pray for him. Don't forget to pray for Kamala and for Joe Biden while you're praying for victory for the other side. So, and I do want to encourage people as we wrap up, pray for Jeff, pray for Minnesota Family Council, pray for their leaders.

This is an organization that again is one of the flagship organizations in the family policy council movement. Jeff is a very respected leader. They have seen a lot of shift in their state from being maybe centrist or center right and even having some Republican controls of the General Assembly to all of a sudden just lurching radical left as a result of just a couple election cycles where the national narrative was not in their favor. So pray for their work.

pray that God honors them, honors their faithfulness is not only they lobby for good policy, but minister to people's souls. And Jeff, I'm grateful for you, man. Thanks for the work that you do and for your team. Thank you. Appreciate your team as well and your friendship and God bless the great state of Georgia. Amen. It's going to be a battle here. know, so we're now, ladies poll I saw puts Trump ahead of Kamala by two points. So we'll certainly be hearing a lot of it. think Minnesota is now safely in the blue camp, but we're going to try to.

Cole Muzio (31:09.39)
keep Georgia a little bit more in the conservative column. Yep. I understand. right. Well, blessing to see you. Thanks so much for having me on call. Really appreciate it. Thank you, man. God bless you.